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Post by savarin on Jul 15, 2015 21:19:55 GMT 1
(I'm not really sure if i should put it here in off-topic or by feedback so i put i here to be safe.)
So my suggestion to improve the highlights on the EU server is that we should use a voting system like that we use here in the forum for the FRIENDS server.
1: Admins chose some avatars, games and models to vote.
this would prevent the big disappointment that we got today in the highlights where they chose an avatar that wasn't that great, there were obvious better one's to find.
It's also beter that the admins chose the attendants because they would be overwhelmed by the response when everyone want to register his/her creations.
2: The admins should look beter.
Most of us has now the feeling with the recent highlight that the admins don't look hard enough for the highlights. We could be wrong but the avatar of this week wasn't that great and there were definitely beter avatars to chose if tthey looked beter.
Another suggestion can be that players can suggest some avatars, games or models for the highlights.
2: Every Player can win maximum 1 time in each category.
This is to prevent that a player can win maybe 3 times avatar of the week and give more chances to players who don't have won a highlight already.
3: Players who harrash other people can't compete.
I saw today that the owner of the avatar get a lot of hated messages that he is a noob and that he got a bad avatar. I simple hate it when someone don't show respect to others. if a player can't show respect to someone who won then that player doesn't deserver it to compete with it.
I could remember that they use a similar rule in the BR server to people who don't show respect and who are very rude towards other players. respect should be something that we all should have.
4: Don't allow copied creations to win the highlights.
It happened a couple of times when a copied item from this server won the highlights, also models from other servers.
I believe that you can only win the highlights with something that you made by yourself with your own skills.
Players who win with copied items don't really deserve it because it's a hit in the face for the original owner who put al his hard work in his creation.
This is all i got for now but feel free to suggest more improvements. I really think that these suggestion could improve the highlights when we let to chose the community who they want to see to win. that will create a feeling of more control and that would reduce the hatred that most people showed in the comments of the news.
savarin
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Post by KrisTheBoss on Jul 15, 2015 21:40:50 GMT 1
These are some really good suggestions, i totally agree with you about the last one  |
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Post by Nonou on Jul 15, 2015 21:46:37 GMT 1
1: Admins chose some avatars, games and models to vote.
In order for this to take place there should be:
• A section/place to add it: That would require either a forum or a new board in-game (it can also be added in the new's message)
• A way to prevent people from creating new accounts to vote their own games/models/avatars. It might have 10 users per day but people might ask their friends to make some new or make new from other devices (for e.g 10 from the PC, 10 from a laptop, 10 from a tablet, 10 from a phone, 10 from another device etc.)
2: The admins should look better.
This requires time which as it is said, "time is money". For a small community like KoGaMa each employee might have many things to do (except for the news). As you can understand this is a bit hard to spend hours onto finding the perfect avatar/model/game.
3: Every Player can win maximum 1 time in each category.
I do not agree with this. If someone really deserves it, shouldn't they win the highlights? Encourage the new players - Yes. But the point of the highlights is to show a really good "recommendation" of a game/model/avatar. Eliminating possibly good creations from getting highlighted is not a good idea for me
4: Players who harass other people can't compete.
In a server like EU-www, where there are many players, it would be almost impossible to eliminate the "haters" and those that swear/insult the creators of the highlighted creations. Many users, many different languages = much trouble. It would require much time which as I said before, it is limited for KoGaMa
5: Don't allow copied creations to win the highlights.
Since the developer that picks the highlights doesn't spend much time on choosing the appropriate ones for the players, it's obvious that sometimes copies can be chosen. But, when something like that is done, KoGaLion gets informed either by Santeripe or by comments in the news section/comments in model. Or by any other user that is in his Friend List.
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Post by YL on Jul 15, 2015 22:39:12 GMT 1
Kogama's stance on this is that users should never be interacting at all in the picking process because this is "unfair for players because the players who suggest win easier". I think we should encourage people to help and say in the news post to send any good content to cm@kogama.com
I told Daniel that users should be allowed to hint good content to the people who pick to improve quality, he responded: "Santeripe, I don't have time to argue about this. We have already decided how we are going to do the weekly shouts and this conversation isn't going to change that decision."
I really don't believe this thread will change anything either if their decision is so strict that users cannot even hint about good content to the people who are picking
In my opinion (just an opinion), this weeks avatar was bad and a much better one could have been picked if users assisted skinke, I can name 10 avatars better than that right now
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Post by savarin on Jul 16, 2015 10:22:21 GMT 1
Kogama's stance on this is that users should never be interacting at all in the picking process because this is "unfair for players because the players who suggest win easier". I think we should encourage people to help and say in the news post to send any good content to cm@kogama.com I told Daniel that users should be allowed to hint good content to the people who pick to improve quality, he responded: "Santeripe, I don't have time to argue about this. We have already decided how we are going to do the weekly shouts and this conversation isn't going to change that decision." I really don't believe this thread will change anything either if their decision is so strict that users cannot even hint about good content to the people who are picking In my opinion (just an opinion), this weeks avatar was bad and a much better one could have been picked if users assisted skinke, I can name 10 avatars better than that right now It's sad to hear that the dev think about that way, that they stubborn to allow some improvements. Why don't they want to listen to us? Okay it's their game and they have the right to do what they want but the highlights of this week showed that most players aren't happy with what the Erik/Kogalion chosed. It should indeed be better if players could suggest some good avatars, models or games. Even a voting system would be an improvement. I personnaly hope that they will open their eyes and see that there is definitely room to improve right now. |
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Post by savarin on Jul 16, 2015 10:36:17 GMT 1
1: Admins chose some avatars, games and models to vote.In order for this to take place there should be: • A section/place to add it: That would require either a forum or a new board in-game (it can also be added in the new's message) • A way to prevent people from creating new accounts to vote their own games/models/avatars. It might have 10 users per day but people might ask their friends to make some new or make new from other devices (for e.g 10 from the PC, 10 from a laptop, 10 from a tablet, 10 from a phone, 10 from another device etc.) 2: The admins should look better.This requires time which as it is said, "time is money". For a small community like KoGaMa each employee might have many things to do (except for the news). As you can understand this is a bit hard to spend hours onto finding the perfect avatar/model/game. 3: Every Player can win maximum 1 time in each category.I do not agree with this. If someone really deserves it, shouldn't they win the highlights? Encourage the new players - Yes. But the point of the highlights is to show a really good "recommendation" of a game/model/avatar. Eliminating possibly good creations from getting highlighted is not a good idea for me 4: Players who harass other people can't compete.In a server like EU-www, where there are many players, it would be almost impossible to eliminate the "haters" and those that swear/insult the creators of the highlighted creations. Many users, many different languages = much trouble. It would require much time which as I said before, it is limited for KoGaMa 5: Don't allow copied creations to win the highlights.
Since the developer that picks the highlights doesn't spend much time on choosing the appropriate ones for the players, it's obvious that sometimes copies can be chosen. But, when something like that is done, KoGaLion gets informed either by Santeripe or by comments in the news section/comments in model. Or by any other user that is in his Friend List. 1: That's a very pessimistic scenario that wouldn't appear that much but it's still somewhat possible. But i believe that there is an restriction to create max 4 accounts/day with your IP adres and the devs still can look at the IP adres of those players to see if someone cheated. 2: Time shouldn't be an big excuse to dissalow improvements but i understand that Kogama has a lot of work for the people that work at Kogama. 3: I understand that player can make many good items but it' beter to let other people be in the spotlights to have their moment to shine. 4: The BR server is even bigger and they have this rule. They could at least bann the one who cause some real trouble. 5: It's more general, i'm talking about copied items from the BR erver our server and the US server. I can remember the case that 'grimlock' wa copied from the BR server and they didn't do anything about it. They just allow it for a reason that i don't know. |
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Post by YL on Jul 16, 2015 10:48:57 GMT 1
It's sad to hear that the dev think about that way, that they stubborn to allow some improvements. Why don't they want to listen to us? Okay it's their game and they have the right to do what they want but the highlights of this week showed that most players aren't happy with what the Erik/Kogalion chosed. It should indeed be better if players could suggest some good avatars, models or games. Even a voting system would be an improvement. I personnaly hope that they will open their eyes and see that there is definitely room to improve right now. It's not Erik who is picking the winners, he worked for Spil games, Spil games and Kogama separated in March From March to last week's highlights Michal has been picking the winners, he is the creative director of Kogama who designs all textures and badges Yesterday a new person, Skinke, has started doing the news. He has very little to no experience in picking winners, he has only made the news in the Friends server where he doesn't have to pick but just post the news with the winners who the players picked, this explains the avatar |
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Post by Gabriel The Great on Jul 16, 2015 14:31:52 GMT 1
I agree.
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Post by Linkky on Jul 16, 2015 16:14:11 GMT 1
These combo breakers though. .-.
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Post by Astronaut on Jul 16, 2015 18:52:02 GMT 1
like only 1% of the admins are listening to the opinion of their players lol. Goodbye KoGaMa 2011?-2015 #boringsite #RIP
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Post by ᅚᅚ ᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚ ᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚ on Jul 16, 2015 21:37:34 GMT 1
like only 1% of the admins are listening to the opinion of their players lol. Goodbye KoGaMa 2011?-2015 #boringsite #RIP It started in 2010, in closed alpha. ;) But the only reason we have such itty bitty updates is because of the lack of developers in the team. It's like, 2-4 guys, lol. |
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Post by savarin on Jul 18, 2015 16:31:44 GMT 1
I'm a bit dissapointed about the posted things that doesn't relate to the thread that i posted. So i would like to ask to keep on topic and stop with those post that doesn't relate to this thread.
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Post by Daniel Everland on Jul 18, 2015 23:44:27 GMT 1
I realise this weeks highlights were a bit disappointing to you, so I'd like to answer any questions you guys might have.
1: Admins chose some avatars, games and models to vote.
I'm afraid we cannot afford to do that right now. I do agree it's a much better way of deciding a winner, but if we were to do such a thing on live it wouldn't be through a forum. As such Insmo would have to write some sort of poll option into news feed, and we don't have resources to do that at the moment.
2: The admins should look beter.
Skinke is aware of your disappointment, no doubt he'll try harder next time.
3: Every Player can win maximum 1 time in each category.
I'll pass this on to Skinke. Great idea
4: Players who harrash other people can't compete.
I don't see how this would be possible. I suppose we could make a rule stating banned members cannot participate. Although I don't think you should be punished for life because you slipped once. How do you guys feel about maybe disqualifying people who've been banned a week or so prior to the competition? Maybe a month?
5: Don't allow copied creations to win the highlights.
We do our best to prevent this
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Post by YL on Jul 19, 2015 12:04:20 GMT 1
I realise this weeks highlights were a bit disappointing to you, so I'd like to answer any questions you guys might have. 1: Admins chose some avatars, games and models to vote.I'm afraid we cannot afford to do that right now. I do agree it's a much better way of deciding a winner, but if we were to do such a thing on live it wouldn't be through a forum. As such Insmo would have to write some sort of poll option into news feed, and we don't have resources to do that at the moment. 2: The admins should look beter.
Skinke is aware of your disappointment, no doubt he'll try harder next time. 3: Every Player can win maximum 1 time in each category.
I'll pass this on to Skinke. Great idea 4: Players who harrash other people can't compete.
I don't see how this would be possible. I suppose we could make a rule stating banned members cannot participate. Although I don't think you should be punished for life because you slipped once. How do you guys feel about maybe disqualifying people who've been banned a week or so prior to the competition? Maybe a month? 5: Don't allow copied creations to win the highlights.
We do our best to prevent this Even in here forums we are combating poll cheaters and people keep cheating even though they know they get a punishment and they get disqualified. This control would be impossible in the EU server because there are hundreds of voters and it's impossible to distinguish the difference between a normal new player and a fake account. This + many many other problems make creating a poll almost impossible, it's much better to just let a professional pick the best content 2: The admins should look beter.User help would be very helpful in this, users who play Kogama and don't have to do work stuff and have multiple times the time to find cool content. I helped Erik (previous community manger a.k.a Kogalion) from May 2014 to March 2015 to pick winners to the highlights, in many weeks he hadn't looked for content at all but I had so I just sent him all the stuff and he put the news up with them, these news posts are 100% picked by me: www.kogama.com/news/93/www.kogama.com/news/73/www.kogama.com/news/69/ (Erik was on vacation with this one so Michal did it, I sent him all the winners) 3: Every Player can win maximum 1 time in each category.I agree with this but it shouldn't go to "This map is amazing! *looks at members and one has won Game of the week* Nevermind, need to find an another one". Nobody should be able to win many times in a short period of time but if someone does a really cool item and has won once months ago in my opinion they should be able to win again 4: Players who harrash other people can't compete.I agree with players who have been banned within a month not being able to win, I think this will make people obey the rules more 5: Don't allow copied creations to win the highlights.Another point where user help is much needed, in this weeks highlights Skinke picked a copied model, it was this dj booth from last years 43th highlights: www.kogama.com/news/73/After 3 seconds of looking at the model I knew it was a copy and informed Skinke, he changed it to the well model that you can see today. However he forgot to change the link and creator in the news post to the well model and its creator, today it still redirects you to the copiers profile. This is the well model he should have changed the link to: www.kogama.com/marketplace/model/i-2001756/ |
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Post by Nonou on Jul 19, 2015 14:18:08 GMT 1
3: Every Player can win maximum 1 time in each category.I agree with this but it shouldn't go to "This map is amazing! *looks at members and one has won Game of the week* Nevermind, need to find an another one". Nobody should be able to win many times in a short period of time but if someone does a really cool item and has won once months ago in my opinion they should be able to win again That sounds better than players can only win 1 badge for their whole KoGaMa-Time. Winning the highlights every 1-3 weeks is a bit weird and shouldn't happen. But come on ... if something is really good but the owner has already won that certain badge from the highlights once, what'd happen? It's like eliminating creations. We will reach at a part that only copied creations will be rewarded because of that rule. I hope it won't get forwarded to the news announcer |
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