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Ok what the heck!? Feb 14, 2015 0:52:14 GMT 1

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Post by NeonViper on Feb 14, 2015 0:52:14 GMT 1

Why make have us get to level 4 to add things to the marketplace!? How am i suppose to expand my games plays if i cannot add things to the marketplace until i reach a certain level!? And also i thought this was a social game, not a pay2win, what are you trying to do, get money so more people have to buy XP boosters to get to the next level, you can read Jatsu's post "Xp Requirements are frustrating game creators, please reconsider!" And now i think trying to be more active again is dumb, and i should not come back. I kept from cussing that way i would not get banned from the forums, or the website itself, despite how dumb this game gets, i still have feelings for it, because its where i met my best online friends. Now, if you would, please remove the level requirement to publish models. And KoGaMa_Daniel, don't take offense to this in anyway, i know your the community manager, but don't try to make some silly excuse in the reply to convince me to change my mind, or just play games and level up some, or even say "I know what you feel like" No you don't you never made a pay2win game and tried to make progress whats the point if its hard to level up?

Client

Do a 360 jump in a hovercraft - 1 xp
- Too Easy, i can understand this
Do a 360 jump on a parkour course - 20 xp
Do you know how much XP it takes to level up even once after level 1?
Kill an enemy - 5 xp
Fair
Jump on an Oculus eye - 5 xp
Almost impossible because it follows you, even your jumps
Kill an Oculus in close proximity - 10 xp
Almost impossible due to the speed.
Build for 60 minutes - 100 xp
Impossible due to autosave kick every 15 minutes
Unlock all materials - 100 xp
Unlocks all materials, 6 months later.... oh yay 100xp finally
Win a game - 10 xp
Just make a XP game and wait for people to join because of how greedy people are for XP
Add 100 cubes using the Cube Gun - 10 xp
To easy, you can just go in a popular game server for cubeguns and spam cubes all day into the sky

Web

Receive likes - 5 xp Impossible until you get to level 4
Selling models - 5 xp Impossible until you get to level 4

Please do not take this offensively, i am just getting a serious point across.

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Ok what the heck!? Feb 14, 2015 0:57:17 GMT 1

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Post by ᅚᅚ ᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚ ᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚ on Feb 14, 2015 0:57:17 GMT 1

Feb 14, 2015 0:52:14 GMT 1 NeonViper said:

Why make have us get to level 4 to add things to the marketplace!? How am i suppose to expand my games plays if i cannot add things to the marketplace until i reach a certain level!? And also i thought this was a social game, not a pay2win, what are you trying to do, get money so more people have to buy XP boosters to get to the next level, you can read Jatsu's post "Xp Requirements are frustrating game creators, please reconsider!" And now i think trying to be more active again is dumb, and i should not come back. I kept from cussing that way i would not get banned from the forums, or the website itself, despite how dumb this game gets, i still have feelings for it, because its where i met my best online friends. Now, if you would, please remove the level requirement to publish models. And KoGaMa_Daniel, don't take offense to this in anyway, i know your the community manager, but don't try to make some silly excuse in the reply to convince me to change my mind, or just play games and level up some, or even say "I know what you feel like" No you don't you never made a pay2win game and tried to make progress whats the point if its hard to level up?

Client

Do a 360 jump in a hovercraft - 1 xp
- Too Easy, i can understand this
Do a 360 jump on a parkour course - 20 xp
Do you know how much XP it takes to level up even once after level 1?
Kill an enemy - 5 xp
Fair
Jump on an Oculus eye - 5 xp
Almost impossible because it follows you, even your jumps
Kill an Oculus in close proximity - 10 xp
Almost impossible due to the speed.
Build for 60 minutes - 100 xp
Impossible due to autosave kick every 15 minutes
Unlock all materials - 100 xp
Unlocks all materials, 6 months later.... oh yay 100xp finally
Win a game - 10 xp
Just make a XP game and wait for people to join because of how greedy people are for XP
Add 100 cubes using the Cube Gun - 10 xp
To easy, you can just go in a popular game server for cubeguns and spam cubes all day into the sky

Web

Receive likes - 5 xp Impossible until you get to level 4
Selling models - 5 xp Impossible until you get to level 4

Please do not take this offensively, i am just getting a serious point across.

I'm guessing you didn't know that they quadrupled the XP earning speed and amount on our website. Now if you excuse me, I'm gonna click the like button and then unclick it since there's no dislike button.

Daniel Everland
KoGaFriend

Posts: 2,271

Ok what the heck!? Feb 20, 2015 5:08:54 GMT 1

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Post by Daniel Everland on Feb 20, 2015 5:08:54 GMT 1

The level requirement has been included to keep people from trashing the marketplace with offensive content. It used to be that once we banned someone they'd just create a new account and continue with their behavior, however, since they now have to spend time leveling up a new account this has seized to be an issue. Same thing goes with publishing games

We would never do anything to restrict your ability to be creative

Jatsu
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Ok what the heck!? Feb 20, 2015 12:21:25 GMT 1

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Post by Jatsu on Feb 20, 2015 12:21:25 GMT 1

Feb 20, 2015 5:08:54 GMT 1 Daniel Everland said:

The level requirement has been included to keep people from trashing the marketplace with offensive content. It used to be that once we banned someone they'd just create a new account and continue with their behavior, however, since they now have to spend time leveling up a new account this has seized to be an issue. Same thing goes with publishing games

We would never do anything to restrict your ability to be creative

Thank you for giving a response. To be honest, this would have been appreciated much earlier! It was frustrating for players to encounter the level restrictions by themselves rather than being informed about it officially. Consequently, we weren't really sure if there was a good reason behind it and therefore jumped to negative conclusions. Hopefully in the future, more transparency can be provided on the matter to prevent this situation from happening again.

Although, I'm not entirely convinced that it doesn't have significant drawbacks. It does have a deterrent effect on most spam, but it doesn't prevent all inappropriate content from getting through (ex. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5). I'm hoping that a website reporting tool, as mentioned here, will soon follow to catch exceptions where players are simply misbehaving or situations with dedicated rulebreakers.

Lastly, I understand that you wouldn't intentionally frustrate your content creators, but these level restrictions do have negative consequences to real players as well. Perhaps you can reduce the severity of these restrictions (which I discussed in the first link above) by allowing creators do publish a finite (say up to 3) amount of games or models before they reach level 3 or 4. This would allow new players to understand what each feature does while still restricting and deterring abuse.

It would also help if there were more editor XP events, since ones that are initially blocked (model sales and content likes) take up the vast majority of creative XP, as observed on the International server. This doesn't benefit the deterrence of abuse, but would lead to less frustration to creators because of the restriction.

Last Edit: Feb 20, 2015 12:23:51 GMT 1 by Jatsu: typo